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8:35 am
January 29, 2012


Reece Morrel

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Everyone,

I have identified several search terms that are common for the topic I am working with.  I am thinking that I should create 4 or 5 basic, basic web sites for these search terms that then point back to my 3 primary web sites.

(I understand that such a technique may have some controversy.  But I think my situation is unique.  Whenever I check the web tools that analyze search terms, they come back and say that the volume is so low that they can't measure it.  I don't think I will get penalized because overall it will help the quality of the search results.  Basically, I can have more pieces of a very, very small pie.

If it was car insurance or toner cartridges, I don't think it would work.)

I am wanting to set these up with a basic cookie-cutter format.  The only difference will be the content that is specific to that search term and maybe the color.  The rest of the web site will be the same – nav menu, headers, footers, sidebar layout, plugins installed, etc.  I don't need anything like eStore or eMember.  These web sites will basically be souped-up landing pages.

With that in mind, what do you recommend?

Plugins?  Menu structure?  Layout?

Again, thank-you everyone for your help!

Reece

Here are my domain names in case I forget to list them in my post: http://www.LadyLuckDiary.com, http://www.TulsaFencing.com, http://www.GamblingTaxInstitute.com and  http://www.TaxThinkers.com

9:21 am
January 30, 2012


Rick Anderson

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What you are describing is the exact behavior of content spammers.  The goal was to create the appearance of value by creating sites that link into the site that you want to rank.  This was further augmented by creating multiple sites using domain name/keyword matching – exactly as you've described.

Just about a year ago Google cracked down on this behavior.  Google can't necessarily tell the difference between a good site and a bad site.  However it can identify patterns.  So it uses those patterns.

I wouldn't start out with a strategy well know as the strategy of spammers.  It probably won't have the desired result.

However, what will work is:

Create interesting, unique and engaging content.

That's where I would spend my time.  I wouldn't bother with structural strategies for improving search results.  Creating a site specifically for search results is such a strategy.

6:50 pm
January 30, 2012


Reece Morrel

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Post edited 7:51 pm – January 30, 2012 by Reece Morrel


Rick,

Believe it or not, I agree 100% with you.  "Content is King".

I have some clients that have done exactly what you describe.  One client in one year made over $250k – with no college degree or high school diploma.  (He had only figured out how to turn a computer own about 3-4 years before.  He decided to buy a PC from QVC.  Only in America!)  A few years later, he gave back his house and motorcycle, and owed the IRS a bunch of money.  All he owned was what he could put in his Honda.  Last I heard, he has moved back into a house and is close to breaking even.  A very risky, risky proposition.

I agree 100% that in the end, the guys in the white hats will win and the guys with the quality content will win.

Yes, I fear the power of the almighty search engines.  I have seen first hand what happens to my clients when Google/Microsoft/Yahoo re-index their search results.  That is why I am being very protective of how "involved" my primary sites will become.

 

Thought #1.

To put it in context, I have enough information on one of my primary web sites that it easily covers over 50 separate topics – I can look at my tag cloud and tell that.  In looking at my web traffic, certain search results are more popular/common than others.  Also, I am using Google Alerts and this reinforces my observed traffic reports.

 

So I thought what I would try, is to pull the information about a specific topic and dedicate a web site to just that topic.  I consider it a quick start guide for just that topic.  That way the visitor doesn't have to sift through the other 49 topics he doesn't care about.

 

Thought #2.

What do I have to lose?  As I mentioned in my original post, the traffic on my topic is so low that most of the tracking stuff can't even measure it.  So, if Google/Microsoft/Yahoo penalize me.  I drop from what, #2 to #9?  I am still on the first page.  I used one of the $100 coupons that Blue Host sent me to try out Google AdWords.  I must have selected 100+ different combo's of related search terms.  Basically, I cast a very wide net.  It has been running a week now, and I haven't been charged anything against my $100.  No kidding.  The traffic is that low!

 

Thought #3

Would I recommend this crazy idea to anyone – absolutely not.  But, in this one isolated instance it just might work.  Moreover, this is such a risky proposition, that I have decided that once the cookie-cutter part is nailed down, that I cannot spend more than 1 day on any one topic.  The risk v. reward is just not there.  What work I put into it is limited to cut-and-paste from the information contained on my other web sites.

 

Let me give you a concrete example.  Casino Win/Loss Statements.  Lazy, naive and misinformed gamblers and tax professionals want to use these instead of keeping the proper records required by the IRS.  Check out the tax-related forums – lots of questions.  In a recent issue of a gambling magazine, one of the the authors "reminded" everybody to start gathering up their win/loss statements.  Another person was surprised to learn that the casinos don't automatically mail these out like W-2's.

 

So, I went and registered the domain name CasinoWinLossStatements.com.  A couple of court cases, 4 or 5 posts, sample language from my collection of win/loss letters and I am done.  Is the content king?  You bet!  Everything you ever wanted to know about win/loss statements in 1 spot.  The advantage is that a visitor doesn't have to sift through the other 300 court cases or 3 dozen articles I am loading onto my primary web site to find the information that they are wanting.  And, oh by the way, if the want even more information they can check out 1 of my other primary web sites.

 

Does this violate the "do no wrong" ethos of the search engines?

 

Please do not get the impression that I am upset or offended.  Far from it.  I was just wanting to provide a better explanation of what I am trying.  Will it work?  I don't have a clue.  But, we will give it a try on a couple of topics and see what happens.

Sorry for the long post.

Here are my domain names in case I forget to list them in my post: http://www.LadyLuckDiary.com, http://www.TulsaFencing.com, http://www.GamblingTaxInstitute.com and  http://www.TaxThinkers.com

7:12 am
January 31, 2012


Rick Anderson

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No, creating a niche information site is fine.  Using search terms in the domain name is fine.  EXCEPT that, that's what spammers do.  So you run the risk of being thought of as questionable.  

The problem is compounded when you try to use those sites as sites linking in to your main site.  Now you are looking like a spam mini-net.  

It may be perfectly acceptable practice, and you certainly aren't a spammer.  It's just that the network topology makes you "look" like a spammer.

It's a tough question.  Do you put all of your eggs in one basket or do you have a bunch of baskets?  

Sometimes I think that I should split this site up into smaller sites.  If I could manage the membership across a group of sites I'd probably consider it.  Especially with the coming addition of Genesis to the content. 

7:42 am
January 31, 2012


Reece Morrel

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It is a tough question.

My thought is that I would actually have very few links back to the primary sites – maybe 1 each.  Maybe another link to any appropriate court cases.

The rest would just be unlinked text that says:  "You need to use a Lady Luck Gambling Diary" or "More information is available at the Gambling Tax Institute."

Hopefully, the intrepid gambler would then be encouraged, but not forced, to do their own search for these terms.

If I was a spammer with 100's or 1000's of such sites, the anti-spammers would easily sniff me out anyway since out the sites are coming from the same range of IP addresses.

My hunch/guess is that if I have less than 10 such sites nobody will care.

Interesting experiment, huh?

Here are my domain names in case I forget to list them in my post: http://www.LadyLuckDiary.com, http://www.TulsaFencing.com, http://www.GamblingTaxInstitute.com and  http://www.TaxThinkers.com

7:53 am
January 31, 2012


Reece Morrel

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You also have to remember that my business model is different than most spammers.

 

On the tangible side, if I only have one person a year call me and they hire me for 2 hours of legal services, then I have broken even.

On the intangible side, if I have professional "Content is King" type of web site, then it enhances my professional reputation as well.

 

It is also convenient.  I have a lot of people say, I just use the win/loss statements.  This way I can suggest that they visit the easy to remember web site named CasinoWinLossStatement.com for more information.

Here are my domain names in case I forget to list them in my post: http://www.LadyLuckDiary.com, http://www.TulsaFencing.com, http://www.GamblingTaxInstitute.com and  http://www.TaxThinkers.com

9:59 pm
February 2, 2012


Reece Morrel

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Post edited 9:27 am – February 3, 2012 by Reece Morrel


Okay,  here is an update.

As an experiment, I purchased the Genesis Framework with the "Minimum" child theme.

The time stamp on the file says that it was downloaded @ 8:46 pm local time.  I started typing this post @ 11:40 pm.

Without reading the Genesis instruction manual – I printed it off at the office using our super-duper color duplex printer, and forgot to bring it home – this is what I have come up with in just under 3 hours:

 

http://www.CasinoWinLossStatement.com

 

Remember, I have just sketched out an outline to see if I like it, and the "flow."  If I decide to keep it, then I will go back and finish writing the pages and posts.

 

Some minor things I like about it over Thesis

* The date in the header – I never could figure out how to do this in Thesis.

* Studio Press provides a plugin called Simple Edits – makes it very easy to change the copyright stuff in the footer.

* Somewhere I came across the instructions to allow multiple blog streams – unfortunately I didn't bookmark the page.

 

Things about Genesis that I noticed

* I haven't found a way to change the width of the web site, content or side bars

* I haven't found an easy way to edit the byline – I don't want the date of the posts or pages to show.

*Thesis has a much easier way to change the Favicon – the web site is still using the Genesis "G" – although I thought I saw a Studio Press provided "favicon uploader" plugin

– but hey, I have only been @ it for 3 hours without a manual!

 

Don't rush to any conclusions just yet about whether Genesis or Thesis is better.  Remember this is a single topic web site for a single purpose:  to rank very high on any searches that use "Casino" and "Win" and Loss" and "Statement" – that's it.  It is technique commonly used by spammers, but I am trying really hard not to look "spammy" and get blacklisted.

It is almost a kamikaze type of one-way mission.

We will see if it works.

Reece

Here are my domain names in case I forget to list them in my post: http://www.LadyLuckDiary.com, http://www.TulsaFencing.com, http://www.GamblingTaxInstitute.com and  http://www.TaxThinkers.com

10:05 pm
February 2, 2012


Reece Morrel

Tulsa, OK

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Rick,

Let me know when you get those Genesis videos uploaded.

I will be anxious to watch them.

Thank-you.

Reece

Here are my domain names in case I forget to list them in my post: http://www.LadyLuckDiary.com, http://www.TulsaFencing.com, http://www.GamblingTaxInstitute.com and  http://www.TaxThinkers.com

7:06 am
February 3, 2012


Rick Anderson

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They probably won't be finished till late March.  I'll be creating them simultaneously with the New Start Building Your Website Here series, which will start February 20th.

8:33 am
February 3, 2012


Reece Morrel

Tulsa, OK

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Advantage to Genesis – much, much, much easier to install.  You install a zip file through the WordPress Dashboard.  (If you insist, it is possible to use the ftp method, but why?)  Chris and DIYThemes.com are you listening?

 

Advantage to Thesis – I haven't figured out yet how to install the Google Analytics code.

Here are my domain names in case I forget to list them in my post: http://www.LadyLuckDiary.com, http://www.TulsaFencing.com, http://www.GamblingTaxInstitute.com and  http://www.TaxThinkers.com

9:25 am
February 3, 2012


Rick Anderson

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Uhmmm, Thesis can be installed the same way.  Although you do need to change the name of the custom folder using FTP.

 

Let's start a new thread for comparing your experience with Genesis to Thesis.  I think others will be interested but the topic name is going to throw them off.

9:30 am
February 3, 2012


Reece Morrel

Tulsa, OK

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I was thinking the same thing.

 

But, I didn't know which forum to use or if you were planning on starting a new Genesis forum.

Here are my domain names in case I forget to list them in my post: http://www.LadyLuckDiary.com, http://www.TulsaFencing.com, http://www.GamblingTaxInstitute.com and  http://www.TaxThinkers.com

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